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    • #577
      Heidi Heron

      (conversation started by peter schutz – 11 April)

      Dr Catalin Zaharia ,president of has published a very good
      metastudy for nlp/nlpt

      it heavily outweighs any outdated sharpley etc articles….

      seems that those very few who work for recognition of nlp sem to ignore
      it, for whatever reasons

      my questions, who of the dear summit folks can add to list of research
      published in good journals was only answered by a good polish nlp

      are research and publication phobia really a nlp leadership criteria 🙂

      very concerned …


    • #578
      Heidi Heron

      (reply by Joe Cheal)

      This is excellent. Thanks Peter for bringing this to our attention (Melody and I were speaking about this topic only today!).

      Also congrats to Catalin, Melita and yourself for getting this published.



      Joe Cheal.

    • #579
      Heidi Heron

      (reply by Bruce Grimley.)

      I did answer you Peter with a case study published in the British Psychology Journal: (What is NLP? The development of a grounded theory within an Action Research Journey. Sports and Exercise Psychology Review. Summer 2015.) I think most journals associated with BPS have quite a high impact level. And as mentioned in my recent email to group I am awaiting a reply to a paper I have written for the international coaching psychology review. Both of these papers put NLP in the title so it shows up in searches and also in the abstract too.

      However as you pointed out this was not relevant to psychotherapy, (which is what you were after) and this, for me brings up another question. NLP started by modeling psychotherapy and it is quite clear the Meta Model for instance was designed for use in the context of therapy. However even though our NLP psychotherapists seem to be leading the way with the little research which does meet the mark, what about research in all the other applications of NLP patterns?

      We have some way to go, however it is nice we are all talking with the intention of taking NLP as a discipline forward and seeking to talk about the areas where we agree as well as those where we differ.

      With best wishes, Bruce.

      Dr Bruce Grimley. B.Sc (Hons). M.Sc. Ph.D. Chartered Psychologist.
      Accredited Master Executive Coach.
      Master trainer in NLP.
      C.Psychol. AFBPsS. HCPC registered.

      • #580
        Heidi Heron

        (Reply from Peter Schutz)

        Yes Dear Bruce
        You were the only anglosaxan exception that answered , thank you again, I liked the article ?
        You Bruce belong to the very few who publish in journals – Great !

        And yes , – by legal neccessity – currently I am focused on psychotherapy accreditation , here the criteria are publikations in good research journals , have to go into second position with our federal departement of health

        This would support NLP – which I regard as applied psychology – enormously

        And yes , contexts are different
        In some countries in Europe every convicted arsonist , drug dealer and rapists , once he is out of prison , can offer a NLP coaching , CounsellIng or psychotherapy office …. Similar to NLP trainers

        In some , ethical , legal and competence standards are much or very much higher
        Although the ” everything is possible ” NLP crowd tends to ignore that ..

        Which other fields than psychology / psychotherapy do you suggest , that have :

        A Journals with a good impact factor
        B good and independently confirmed results with NLP
        C at least 5 good articles from various countries worth to publish in a good journal
        D a government agency that would state , Yes , for this field we can accredit NLP as a method

        So , which field do you suggest ?
        Training track and Field or triathlon ?
        Archeology ?
        Under water demolition for the SBS ?
        Reduction of car accidents through better driving schools ?
        Teamtraining ?
        Teaching Human rights to antisemitic Football Hooligans in Birmingham ?

        Who of the esteemed 150
        OR so summit Colleguages have experience in one of those or other Fields – and have published in good Journals ?

        Hope all goes well with your paper !


        • #581
          Heidi Heron

          (Reply from Bruce Grimley)

          Thank you Peter. Yes I agree with all you say. Concerning suggestions for Journals with good impact factor the British Psychological Society has a range of journals which support its various divisions….clinical of course, but also Occupational and Organisational, Coaching, Counselling, Sports and Exercise, Forensic, Educational…….and the list goes on, quite extensive actually. All of these journals are blind peer reviewed and are also then put onto “the system” so budding future psychologists when searching Athens or whatever should when typing in Neuro Linguistic Programming come up with the appropriate papers / articles / reviews etc.

          Thank you for the good wishes for the current paper, it is just a matter of waiting till they contact me.

          Best, as always, Bruce 🙂

          Dr Bruce Grimley. B.Sc (Hons). M.Sc. Ph.D. Chartered Psychologist.
          Accredited Master Executive Coach.
          Master trainer in NLP.
          C.Psychol. AFBPsS. HCPC registered.

          • #582
            Heidi Heron

            (Reply from Ueli R. Frischknecht)

            Dear Bruce

            Thank you so much for your consistently respectful and polite stance in upholding nlp as a methodology that is most valuable for – yes of course – the field of psycho therapy but – yes of course too – for so many fields more.

            I am very grateful for anybody doing this kind of work with your kind of attitude. Because I know it is very important and good for our common endeavour nlp. But publishing articles for blind peer reviewed journals is not one of the strong gifts that has been given to me by the godess on birth and I have not been able to develop lot’s of it any further during my life. I am a good nlp trainer (I am proud to say) and I am quite good in bringing people together and motivating to get on living their values and bringing their visions into the world. And many things more. And – I am proud to say – I have contributed quite a bit to the good reputation of nlp in Switzerland.

            Thus I do not blame anybody who is not working in a scientific research way to contribute to the field of nlp. In my view, anybody who is doing good ethical work is very welcome. And – yes again – Peter, you are right, it would be great to have more research work done.

            All the best


            Ueli R. Frischknecht

            • #604
              Heidi Heron

              (Reply from Frank Bourke)


              As with Rick Gray I never received enquiries from you regarding the removal of NLP from our official name, our web site, etc. As Lisa de Rijk has pointed out, the “NLP Research and Recognition Project” was incorporated as a Not for Profit Corporation here in the US in 2008. The name was changed, officially deleting “NLP” from the Corporate name, after 28 million dollars of well designed, University sponsored, research grants were denied (many obviously never even having been reviewed per the denials). Additionally, numerous direct attempts to forge collaborative/supportive relationships with established psychological researchers were rejected on the basis of our association with NLP.

              Most of us at the Research and Recognition Project believe;
              1. NLP materials represent the largest advance in clinical psychology in the last 75 years.

              2. The only way NLP will receive widespread recognition and practice is after it has demonstrated its’ effectiveness through sound scientific research.

              3. Given, that even small pilot clinical research studies cost between $300,000 and $500,000, NLP research will have to start with raising appreciable amounts of money from sources generally hostile to NLP. (Our first and only “NLP” funding drive accessed 22,000 NLP practitioners, took six months to conduct and yielded $12,000, of which $9000 was personally donated by 4 NLP Institute owners).

              4. The best strategy to success organizationally is to pace the professional community by gaining recognition for NLP clinical protocols in standard psychological research formats and after demonstrating scientifically the clinical efficacy of specific protocols move on to larger clinical trials based upon their performance and then, make the NLP association.

              To that end, our first two studies of the RTM’s performance (NLP derived protocol for the treatment of PTSD, costing $550,000 directly to run) are gaining widespread professional support and recognition across some 8 University research laboratories, a number of them being among the most prestigious in their field (PTSD). Somewhere down the line here we are hoping that the Leadership Group and larger segments of the sound NLP community will lend formal support and physical help to both NLPt and our research efforts in Europe, here in the U.S., and internationally.


    • #583
      Heidi Heron

      (reply by Lisa Rijk)

      Hi Peter
      I have sent you these before and there is another one that you maybe have not seen yet highlighted for you. this is the only one that I would suggest meets your stringent criteria and is in a leading level blind peer reviewed moderate impact journal. It was also accepted as a poster presentation at the NHS Public Health England conference, which has stringent blind peer review processes and is very high impact in Public Health England.
      Lisa Wake , Margaret Leighton , (2014) “Pilot study using Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP) in post-combat PTSD”, Mental Health Review Journal, Vol. 19 Iss: 4, pp.251 – 264
      ‘It’s My Life: A case study exploring the role of the therapy relationship’. Current Research in NLP. ANLP. pp.84-94. 2013 blind peer reviewed although only an nlp journal
      ‘Waking Up and Moving On – A Programme Evaluation of an Intervention with Adolescents Identified as at Risk of Offending Behaviour’. Current Research in NLP. ANLP. pp.43-53. 2011 blind peer reviewed although only an nlp journal
      ‘Leadership Excellence Through Coaching: A Case Study in Regulatory Affairs Using Neurolinguistic Programming’. Regulatory Rapporteur. Vol. 8. No. 11. 2011 not hard research but a peer reviewed non nlp journal using single case study
      ‘Applying NLP tools and techniques in an FMCG environment’, Industrial and Commercial Training, Vol. 43 Iss: 2, pp.121 – 125. 2011 soft research and blind peer reviewed in non nlp audience
      ‘A study of the relationship between the core belief structures of neurolinguistic psychotherapy and object relations theory’. Current Research in NLP. Volume 1. 2009 p. 50-66. blind peer reviewed although only an nlp journal
      And yes we do need many more, but not just clinical. Sally Vanson is the best person to speak to in the UK about non clinical research papers. I supervise those that are just clinical ones.
      Best wishes

      Lisa de Rijk (formerly Wake) MSc, RGN, PhD Cand.

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