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    • #554
      Heidi Heron
      Keymaster

      (conversation thread – started by Ueli R. Frischknecht, 11 April 2016)
      Dear Friends

      Something that has been nagging in the back of my mind for a while. I have been writing to Richard Gray trying to get some understanding but did not get an answer.

      It seems that for some time the ‘NLP’ has disappeard from the ‘The Research and Recognition Project’.
      The link we still have on IANLP website is http://nlprandr.org/ but it gets redirected to http://www.researchandrecognition.org
      So, no NLP either.

      What is the significance of this?
      Should we still support this endeavour if it is not supporting NLP?

      Looking forward to hear your ideas and insights.

      I will not be able to be at London conference.

      Best regards

      Ueli

      Ueli R. Frischknecht
      Secretary General
      IANLP International Association for Neuro-Linguistic Programming
      Neubruchstrasse 98, CH-8406 Winterthur, Switzerland
      Tel. +41-52-315 52 52, Fax +41-52-315 52 53
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    • #561
      Heidi Heron
      Keymaster

      (reply by Lisa de Rijk )

      HI All
      The site has been changed to The Road Back.
      The project has experienced significant problems by having a site entitled the NLP Research and Recognition project. Unfortunately the project gets stopped at every hurdle because as soon as the name NLP comes up and a psychologist is on a bid for research funding, the old stories come up as does the Sharpley article along with the Wikipedia article. So we fall at the first fence.
      As the grant panels, senators and other supporters are aware, the project is about NLP methodologies and we need to pace the US gatekeepers to continue to get support for this crucial work.
      There are some excellent research results coming out of the project and I have copied both Rick and Frank on this email as they may wish to add more to my initial comments above.
      Best wishes
      Lisa

      Lisa de Rijk (formerly Wake) MSc, RGN, PhD Cand.
      Director
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    • #574
      Heidi Heron
      Keymaster

      (reply from Bruce Grimley)

      Hi Lisa,

      Thank you for your email. I think the challenges the R&R program have had in this respect are really significant for the NLP community. It is something I found emerging in my research, that is the tendency for Gatekeepers to pay attention to the letters NLP and not the quality of work being presented and in doing so don a set of negative filters and reject much work associated with “NLP” preventing the credibility we would like in tertiary education and beyond. It seems to me it could be argued the work the R&R is doing and the strict adherence to research protocols could be deemed to have more in common with excellent clinical psychology practice than what has traditionally passed for NLP.

      I personally think being able to standardise a set of procedures, (Pattern), within a context and produce material to support the operationalisation and implementation….and finally to demonstrate the way forward supported by the research findings which emerge in appropriate peer reviewed journals would be a good way to go. However I fully appreciate many would say this is not NLP…..but Psychology.

      I personally think this situation raises a really interesting set of challenges which we need to address. I am waiting for a peer reviewed paper to be processed, however this really does take an age ( sometimes over a year in my experience) and I can appreciate the frustration this must cause when NLP practitioners see the evidence and experience it first hand on a regular basis……but I would suggest the two ideas; immediate experience and peer reviewed research are not mutually exclusive.

      With very best wishes for continued success,

      Bruce 

      Dr Bruce Grimley. B.Sc (Hons). M.Sc. Ph.D. Chartered Psychologist.
      Accredited Master Executive Coach.
      Master trainer in NLP.
      C.Psychol. AFBPsS. HCPC registered.

    • #598
      Heidi Heron
      Keymaster

      (Reply from Anneke Durlinger)

      Thanks Jaap in relationship to the list of NLP models and techniques

      Also taking in account your feedback, Lisa

      I think there might be in preparation of the next leadership summit different overviews

      One overview of NLP associations (we are now in the process of defining what should be mentioned in this overview)
      The different curricula (practitioners, master and trainers)
      One (more general) overview of NLP models and techniques
      Standards
      And the more difficult one: how to ensure these standard are met.
      (I have for instance a certificate saying I performed excellent but nobody assessed me!)

      Still quite some work to do.
      And with all the input, it will get clearer. A nice work in progress

      Happy greetings

      Anneke

    • #618
      Ueli Frischknecht
      Participant

      (Reply April 12, 2016, from Frank Bourke)

      Ueli,

      As with Rick Gray I never received enquiries from you regarding the removal of NLP from our official name, our web site, etc. [Ueli: This was done via Facebook Messenger and therefore not noticed. Cleared it up with Richard Gray. 🙂 ]

      As Lisa de Rijk has pointed out, the “NLP Research and Recognition Project” was incorporated as a Not for Profit Corporation here in the US in 2008. The name was changed, officially deleting “NLP” from the Corporate name, after 28 million dollars of well designed, University sponsored, research grants were denied (many obviously never even having been reviewed per the denials). Additionally, numerous direct attempts to forge collaborative/supportive relationships with established psychological researchers were rejected on the basis of our association with NLP.

      Most of us at the Research and Recognition Project believe:

      1. NLP materials represent the largest advance in clinical psychology in the last 75 years.

      2. The only way NLP will receive widespread recognition and practice is after it has demonstrated its’ effectiveness through sound scientific research.

      3. Given, that even small pilot clinical research studies cost between $300,000 and $500,000, NLP research will have to start with raising appreciable amounts of money from sources generally hostile to NLP. (Our first and only “NLP” funding drive accessed 22,000 NLP practitioners, took six months to conduct and yielded $12,000, of which $9000 was personally donated by 4 NLP Institute owners).

      4. The best strategy to success organizationally is to pace the professional community by gaining recognition for NLP clinical protocols in standard psychological research formats and after demonstrating scientifically the clinical efficacy of specific protocols move on to larger clinical trials based upon their performance and then, make the NLP association.

      To that end, our first two studies of the RTM’s performance (NLP derived protocol for the treatment of PTSD, costing $550,000 directly to run) are gaining widespread professional support and recognition across some 8 University research laboratories, a number of them being among the most prestigious in their field (PTSD). Somewhere down the line here we are hoping that the Leadership Group and larger segments of the sound NLP community will lend formal support and physical help to both NLPt and our research efforts in Europe, here in the U.S., and internationally.

      Frank Bourke

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